A: In short: both are common names in use, but according to consensus in the last discussion the title Kyiv satisfies more of Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, including WP:MODERNPLACENAME and WP:NAMECHANGES. This conclusion was supported by a rough consensus of two to one by participants in a very long debate on the article's discussion page, and the title was changed on 16 September 2020. You can read the full rationale and discussion in the talk archive: talk:Kyiv/Archive 7 § Requested move 28 August 2020.
Q: Can we move it back to Kiev?
A: A one-year moratorium on move requests for this article was in effect until 16 September 2021. Please take all discussion on naming the article to talk:Kyiv/naming and start a discussion there before opening a move request.
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Daryna Antoniuk (2020-09-18). "Kyiv not Kiev: Wikipedia changes spelling of Ukrainian capital". Kyiv Post. Retrieved 2020-09-19. Wikipedia couldn't change the mistake earlier because it just displayed the spelling that is most popular among prestigious international media outlets, the Ukrainian representative office of Wikipedia said.
Stephen Harrison (1 March 2022). "How the Russian Invasion of Ukraine Is Playing Out on English, Ukrainian, and Russian Wikipedia". Slate. Retrieved 1 March 2022. But before covering the latest developments, it's worth revisiting one of the most brutal edit wars in Wikipedia's history, which also says something about the Ukrainian spirit. The issue was whether the web encyclopedia should spell Ukraine's capital as "Kyiv" or "Kiev."
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RM, Kiev → Kyiv, No consensus, 30 July 2007, discussion
RM, Kiev → Kyiv, No consensus, 5 September 2007, discussion
RM, Kiev → Kyiv, No consensus, 11 September 2007, discussion
RM, Kiev → Kyiv, No consensus, 10 February 2008, discussion
RM, Kiev → Kyiv, Not moved, 23 September 2008, discussion
RM, Kiev → Kyiv, Not moved, 29 October 2009, discussion
RM, Kiev → Kyiv, No consensus, 18 November 2012, discussion
RM, Kiev → Kyiv, Snow close, not moved, 7 November 2013, discussion
RM, Kiev → Kyiv, Snow close, not moved, 3 October 2017, discussion
RM, Kiev → Kyiv, Snow close, not moved, 12 October 2018, discussion
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What are arguments to exclude valuable content about the Kyiv Castle which dates to the Middle Ages and is described in English Wikipedia article Zamkova Hora and two Ukrainian Wikipedia articles (see: Київський замок and Замкова гора (Київ)? @Khajidha: your arguments "don't seem very notable to me" (diff) looks like just a personal opinion, not a valid argument to remove this referenced information from the article. So if no valid arguments will be presented, then I will restore version (my diff) which was removed by @Bazza 7: (diff) also without proper content-wise arguments why this content should be excluded from the article. -- Pofka (talk) 20:35, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Your addition doesn't make clear why this particular castle is important. Was it the earliest recorded settlement in the area? Was it the largest castle in the area? Did a notable warlord operate from it? --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 21:56, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Khajidha: Yes the castle was of very high importance at the time as it was the residence of Kyiv governors. See Google translation from the Ukrainian Wikipedia article Київський замок:
"The castle was the residence of Prince Vladimir Olgerdovich of Kyiv (1362–1394) and his son Semyon (1440–1455) and grandson Olelka (1455–1470). Under Volodymyr Olherdovych, a mint was located here, where the first Ukrainian coin was minted.
In 1416, the castle stood during the devastation of Kyiv by the Golden Horde led by Emir Edigei.
In 1471, after the liquidation of the Kyiv principality, the Kyiv castle became the official residence of Kyiv voivodes, in particular, such as: Kostiantyn-Vasyl Ostrozky (1559–1608), Stanislav Zholkivskyi (1608–1620), Adam Kysil (1649–1653)."
The castle is clearly of great importance and a dedicated article should be created about it in English Wikipedia as well. Sadly, I'm not capable of researching Ukrainian sources. -- Pofka (talk) 10:59, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
If you would have mentioned any of that in your addition, I would not have removed it. As it was, it seemed rather unconnected to anything. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 11:44, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Pofka I undid your restoration because you did not follow WP:BRD, as I stated in my edit summary. Thank you for doing so now. Bazza (talk) 22:07, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Pofka your addition still doesn't make it clear why this castle is important enough to be in the article. So there was a castle. So what. Why should the reader care? --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 10:41, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Khajidha: Hi, I added additional information (based on an Ukrainian source) in order to explain the historical significance of this castle (see: 1). More expansion in the dedicated article Zamkova Hora will have to be made by the Ukrainians themselves because as I already noted previously my capability to research the Ukrainian sources is very limited. -- Pofka (talk) 18:19, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hi! in this sentence: "Scholars continue to debate when the city was founded: The traditional founding date is 482 CE, so the city celebrated its 1,500th anniversary in 1982. Archaeological data indicates a founding in the sixth or seventh centuries, with some researchers dating the founding as late as the late 9th century," there should definitely be a period at the end. Aiue (talk) 15:16, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Replace 'also written as Kiev' with 'outdated place-name Kiev' in the title block: as it misleadingly enable a russian promoted writing to continue being used. If clarification is needed, i propose to add 'formerly' into the statement as to emphasize its outdated nature. 204.48.92.168 (talk) 23:51, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not done The reality is that sources use Kiev, it is not misleading. See WP:KIEV for more. // Timothy :: talk 00:23, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Replace 'also written as Kiev' with 'outdated place-name Kiev' in the title block: as it misleadingly enable a russian promoted writing to continue being used. Levenyatko (talk) 02:02, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's neither Russian nor Ukrainian. It is the longstanding ENGLISH name that readers will still encounter. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 03:05, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 23 March 2024[edit]
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The only correct spelling of the city name is KYIV, and never KIEV. Kyiv — is the Ukrainian language. Kiev — is the Russian language.
Please remove the Russian spelling from the description. We appreciate your understanding. 176.104.191.123 (talk) 18:03, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not done: While Kyiv is the current official romanisation of the city's name, the alternative spelling Kiev has seen widespread usage in the past, hence a mention of this spelling would be useful to readers. Liu1126 (talk) 18:13, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Kyiv — is the Ukrainian language." So you are suggesting that we should delete all mentions of it, and rename the article? Good idea. We do not care about terms in the Ukrainian language, only in the English language. Dimadick (talk) 13:27, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Bullshit. Kiev is the long-standing English spelling. Kyiv has only been commonly used in English for less than a handful of years.--User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 22:00, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Not done The reality is that sources use Kiev, it is not misleading. See WP:KIEV for more. // Timothy :: talk 00:23, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
Not done: While Kyiv is the current official romanisation of the city's name, the alternative spelling Kiev has seen widespread usage in the past, hence a mention of this spelling would be useful to readers. Liu1126 (talk) 18:13, 23 March 2024 (UTC)