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Bombing of Hamburg and the main page

This media file was originally pulled because of article neutrality issues in 2015 (See here). The article is much better now according to a discussion here, albeit not perfect; however, that means we now need to consider the video. First of all, this is propaganda, and somewhat obviously so, but, as such, it's downplaying and sanitising things pretty severely. This was a horrifying, brutal firebombing that destroyed whole districts of Hamburg, and killed a lot of civilians. Compare this video to, say:

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So I suppose the question is: Would putting this on the main page, with a paragraph or two to provide context, advance our educational goals, or is it simply too misleading to be able to be used in an encyclopedic manner outwith articles? Can we mitigate issues? Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.9% of all FPs 00:59, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I've read a book on the bombing of Dresden in World War II and it was a most sobering piece of literature. The video is, as you say, propaganda. But propaganda and war are bed-fellows. In my view, if we balanced the propaganda video with a decent write-up based on the (now arguably reasonably well-written) article, that should meet our educational goals. War is disgusting business and if you are at the receiving end of it, you know all about it. Propaganda tries to justify the actions. If we present this juxtaposition well, while still shocking, it does have educational value. And I suppose you are thinking of running this on the anniversary date of the firestorm (27 July attack just before midnight; firestorm on 28 July), maybe we could balance this further by showing the photo (or a similar one in the same set which is a better crop) in the 'On this day' section. Schwede66 04:01, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'd say the potential writeup made in the 2015 discussion is better than what we originally had. -BRAINULATOR9 (TALK) 01:26, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Think I'll start by nominating that photo I mentioned on FPC. If we can get something to pair it with, it'll probably help matters. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.9% of all FPs 19:50, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for getting the FPC underway. I've had a go at a complete rewrite of the blurb that puts the propaganda-aspect of it at the centre. See what you think. Comment here and/or edit the words directly. Schwede66 10:29, 24 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I have an unrelated different question. Does a 240p scan of such poor quality print meet PotD's quality standards? ApLundell (talk) 07:27, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@ApLundell: Video is hard to judge, especially video featured in 2007, back in the days where the maximum upload size was quite low. There's a reason why we try to feature FPs in order. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.9% of all FPs 08:13, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Does anyone know whether or if a better version can be found, given that the video was uploaded back in 2005? -BRAINULATOR9 (TALK) 15:15, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

2022 draft blurb

This US newsreel from August 1943 covering the Allied bombing of Hamburg, Germany, in World War II, by the United StatesEighth Air Force is a typical example of wartime news broadcasts used as propaganda. One of these bombing missions, code-named Operation Gomorrah, was flown over a period of eight days between 24 July and 3 August 1943. Initial missions saw the use of blockbuster and delay-action bombs and the introduction of new countermeasures against anti-aircraft guns. On the 27/28 July raid carried out by the Royal Air Force, concentrated bombing created a firestorm that incinerated more than 21 square kilometres (8 sq mi) of the city. Overall, Operation Gomorrah bombings killed 37,000 civilians and destroyed much of the city.

The clip states that Hamburg is "Germany's principal seaport and number-one war center" and that the bombing caused "devastation of war plants". The reel is silent on the deliberate destruction of entire residential neighbourhoods. The effectiveness of the Hamburg raid had relied on careful research on how best to cause a large fire in a German city – as opposed to the popular view that it was an accidental occurrence due to unusually dry weather conditions.

A "was" is missing" in the final sentence. Jmchutchinson (talk) 17:22, 24 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Added. Thanks. Schwede66 17:44, 24 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It looks pretty good to me. I think the only real objection might be whether people accuse the last bit of Original Research or Synthesis. My inclination is it's fine in this case - statement of simple facts, all of which are in the article - but directed towards the video that forms the subject. Any objections? Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.9% of all FPs 00:43, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
None here. -BRAINULATOR9 (TALK) 15:07, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Looks like the other image is going to pass. @Brainulator9, Schwede66, and Jmchutchinson:: Think we should put them together as a pair of images? Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.9% of all FPs 02:00, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, pairing this makes sense and further helps with balancing what could otherwise be argued against as showing propaganda on the homepage. Schwede66 02:51, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Okay. I'm setting this up on 27 July 2023 (80th anniversary of the event) as a double image. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.9% of all FPs
Template:POTD/2023-07-27. @Schwede66, Brainulator9, and Jmchutchinson: Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.9% of all FPs 23:10, 3 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm... I'd personally put the two files together horizontally rather than vertically, but whatever works. Hopefully by then, we can find a higher-quality version of that newsreel, not that it should matter. -BRAINULATOR9 (TALK) 01:11, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
They actually might be horizontal by the time it reaches the main page. Formatting changes abruptly. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.9% of all FPs 03:11, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If we manage to lay it out with a horizontal alignment, the photos will display vertically on devices with small screens (e.g. mobile phones). Hence the words can't, or shouldn't, make reference to a horizontal alignment. Schwede66 03:58, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
In the credits at the bottom, "(Fg Off)" might helpfully be wikilinked to Flying officer. It was not an abbreviation that I knew. Jmchutchinson (talk) 11:51, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Jmchutchinson: Done! Thanks for the suggestion. Honestly, thanks to all of you, especially Schwede who drafted the blurb; I don't think I could have done this anywhere near as well on my own. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.9% of all FPs 14:39, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The Spliting of Papua and The News Section of The Main Page

Sidang Paripurna DPR ke-9 2015.jpg

A few hours ago the "DPR" indonesia's lower house of the national legislature, voted to split the province of papua into three provinces, South Papua, Middle Papua, And Mountanious Papua. So the question is: How could i add this to the main page's news section, and is it important under wikipidia's guidlines. I have so much more questions to ask sincerly yours Makerman 88


Further Reading (Just to get the sence of the situation in papua)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Makerman88 (talkcontribs)

Please follow the instructions at Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates to nominate an article. There needs to be a high quality update to an article (probably Papua (province)) which covers the split — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:38, 30 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Harry S. Truman

I don't think it makes much sense to say that he "contested the presidency" when he literally was the president. He was running for re-election, not challenging someone in the primary. PoliticallyPassionateGamer (talk) 14:09, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

He had not been elected president, which I suspect was the nuance.--Wehwalt (talk) 14:40, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]