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"Opened fire on schoolchildren" should point to Soweto riots, not just one victim. Night Gyr 23:07, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your suggestion. I've changed the link accordingly. --PFHLai 16:15, 6 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

2012 notes[edit]

Moved to Ineligible: Computing Tabulating Recording Corporation (maintenance); United Nations Security Council Resolution 425 (already appears on March 19)
Omitted: Battle of Ligny/Battle of Quatre Bras; Victoria Hall disaster; Monterey Pop Festival (ineligible—maintenance); Tesco bomb campaign (moved to June 12—wrong date)
Included: Cornwallis's Retreat (first appearance); James Joyce (3rd appearance, last in 2010; rescued from Ineligible); Imre Nagy (first appearance); Psycho (film) (2nd appearance, last in 2010; rescued from Ineligible)
Repeats: Pope Pius IX (2nd consecutive appearance, 6 total)

—howcheng {chat} 09:29, 15 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

2013 notes[edit]

Omitted: Youth Day (ineligible—maintenance); Cornwallis's Retreat; Pope Pius IX (ineligible—maintenance); James Joyce; Imre Nagy; Psycho (1960 film)
Included: Ming–Hồ War (first appearance); Battle of Quatre Bras (4th appearance, last in 2011; blurb previously also featured Battle of Ligny, which is now ineligible); Victoria Hall disaster (3rd appearance, last in 2011); Monterey Pop Festival (2nd appearance, last in 2011); Tobacco Control Act of Bhutan 2010 (first appearance)

—howcheng {chat} 07:14, 15 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

2014 notes[edit]

Deleted: Thabo Mbeki (moved to June 14)
Omitted: Battle of Quatre Bras; Victoria Hall disaster; Tobacco Control Act of Bhutan 2010
Included: Yazdegerd III (first appearance); Pope Pius IX (7th appearance, last in 2012; rescued from Ineligible); Imre Nagy (2nd appearance, last in 2012)
Repeats: Ming–Hồ War (2nd consecutive appearance; 2 total); Monterey Pop Festival (2nd consecutive appearance; 3 total)

—howcheng {chat} 11:12, 15 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

2015 notes[edit]

Omitted: Yazdegerd III; Ming–Hồ War; Pope Pius IX; Imre Nagy; Monterey Pop Festival
Included: Battle of Stoke Field (6th appearance, last in 2009; rescued from Ineligible); Battle of Quatre Bras (5th appearance, last in 2013; 200th anniversary); Victoria Hall disaster (4th appearance, last in 2013); James Joyce (4th appearance, last in 2012); Rudolf Nureyev (first appearance)

—howcheng {chat} 18:41, 15 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

2016 notes[edit]

Moved to Ineligible: Pope Pius IX (maintenance)
Omitted: Battle of Stoke Field; Battle of Quatre Bras; James Joyce; Rudolf Nureyev
Included: Ming–Hồ War (3rd appearance, last in 2014); Cornwallis's Retreat (2nd appearance, last in 2012); Valentina Tereshkova (8th appearance, last in 2010; rescued from Ineligible); Tobacco Control Act of Bhutan 2010 (2nd appearance, last in 2013)
Repeats: Victoria Hall stampede (2nd consecutive appearance, 5 total)

—howcheng {chat} 06:08, 15 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

2017 notes[edit]

New articles (unused): Liu Yang
Moved to Ineligible: Battle of Stoke Field (maintenance); Battle of Quatre Bras (maintenance); James Joyce (maintenance); Imre Nagy (maintenance); Monterey Pop Festival (maintenance)
Omitted: Cornwallis's Retreat (moved to June 17); Victoria Hall stampede; Valentina Tereshkova (ineligible—maintenance); Tobacco Control Act of Bhutan 2010
Included: Yazdegerd III (2nd appearance, last in 2014); Computing-Tabulating-Recording Company (first appearance); Rudolf Nureyev (2nd appearance, last in 2015); 2013 North India floods (first appearance); Jean de Thévenot (first appearance); Adam Smith (first appearance); Tony Gwynn (first appearance)
Repeats: Ming–Hồ War (2nd consecutive appearance, 4 total)

—howcheng {chat} 08:04, 16 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

2018 notes[edit]

New articles (ineligible): Ford Motor Company (maintenance)
Omitted: Yazdegerd III; Computing-Tabulating-Recording Company; Rudolf Nureyev (ineligible—maintenance); 2013 North India floods; Jean de Thévenot; Adam Smith; Tony Gwynn
Included: Battle of Fort Beauséjour (first appearance); Victoria Hall stampede (6th appearance, last in 2016); James Joyce (5th appearance, last in 2015; rescued from Ineligible); Psycho (1960 film) (3rd appearance, last in 2012); Liu Yang (astronaut) (first appearance); Johannes Tauler (first appearance); Mary Katherine Goddard (first appearance); Sydney Chapman (mathematician) (first appearance)

—howcheng {chat} 06:22, 16 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Fix Nara river link[edit]

The link to Nara river in Gujarat incorrectly points to the Nara canal in Pakistan. It should point to Nara River (India).--Pere prlpz (talk) 16:26, 16 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Done. —howcheng {chat} 00:39, 17 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

2019 notes[edit]

Rescued from Ineligible (unused): Rudolf Nureyev
New articles (unused): OK Computer
Omitted: Battle of Fort Beauséjour; Victoria Hall stampede; Psycho (1960 film); Liu Yang (astronaut); Johannes Tauler; Mary Katherine Goddard; Sydney Chapman (mathematician)
Included: Ming–Hồ War (5th appearance, last in 2017); 1819 Rann of Kutch earthquake (first appearance; 200th anniversary); Imre Nagy (3rd appearance, last in 2014; rescued from Ineligible); Murder of Jo Cox (first appearance); John Cheke (first appearance); Helen Traubel (first appearance); Helmut Kohl (first appearance)
Repeats: James Joyce (2nd consecutive appearance, 6 total)

—howcheng {chat} 00:56, 17 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

2020 notes[edit]

Moved to Ineligible: Battle of Ligny/Battle of Quatre Bras (Ligny: maintenance)
New articles (unused): Barbara McClintock (moved from September 2)
Omitted: Ming–Hồ War; 1819 Rann of Kutch earthquake; Imre Nagy (ineligible—maintenance); Murder of Jo Cox; John Cheke; Helen Traubel; Helmut Kohl
Included: Yazdegerd III (3rd appearance, last in 2017); Battle of Fort Beauséjour (2nd appearance, last in 2018); Computing-Tabulating-Recording Company (2nd appearance, last in 2017); Tobacco Control Act of Bhutan 2010 (3rd appearance, last in 2016; 10th anniversary); Yang Jisheng (Ming dynasty) (first appearance); Bazil Assan (first appearance); Sydney Chapman (mathematician) (2nd appearance, last in 2018; 50th anniversary)
Repeats: James Joyce (3rd consecutive appearance, 7 total)

—howcheng {chat} 00:12, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

What, no mention of Bloomsday?[edit]

I was trying to remember why June 16 rang a bell, but it was only after giving up on WP that Bloomsday finally came to me. This is (or used to be pre-sequester) a big deal in bookstore towns like Berkeley. Sparafucil (talk) 21:02, 16 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Sparafucil: There are two maintenance tags on that article, and per the rules, it could not be included. —howcheng {chat} 02:58, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Next year, I hope; I tryed fixing some bare links. There doesn't seem to be a category for " 'yellow'-level or more severe article issue tags". Does replacing {{more citations needed section}} with a few {{fact}} tags change the temperature any? Sparafucil (talk) 19:09, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Sparafucil: It depends. The point of the rules are to make sure we are featuring articles of good quality, so if you're trying to game the system by saying "Oh there are no more yellow-level tags on it" then that's not gonna fly (the rules do state that a large number of {{fact}} tags relative to article length can also disqualify it). But if you can source some of that content and leave {{fact}} for where you can't, then that might be good enough, especially if the things that need citations aren't really that important anyway (in which case, why not just delete them). Hope that helps. —howcheng {chat} 06:37, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Of course. The page doesn't seem very active, but there's a year to see if anyone takes up a Talk: suggestion, and if the cruft doesn't get footnoted in the meantime I'll zap it next spring. Sparafucil (talk) 21:46, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

2021 notes[edit]

New articles (unused): Mel Allen
Omitted: Yazdegerd III; Battle of Fort Beauséjour; James Joyce; Tobacco Control Act of Bhutan 2010; Yang Jisheng (Ming dynasty); Bazil Assan; Sydney Chapman (mathematician)
Included: Ming conquest of Đại Việt (6th appearance, last in 2019); Victoria Hall disaster (7th appearance, last in 2018); Rudolf Nureyev (3rd appearance, last in 2017; 60th anniversary); 2013 North India floods (2nd appearance, last in 2017); James Bertie, 1st Earl of Abingdon (first appearance); William Lawson (explorer) (first appearance); Tupac Shakur (first appearance; 50th birthday)
Repeats: Computing-Tabulating-Recording Company (2nd consecutive appearance, 3 total)

—howcheng {chat} 02:57, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Confusion[edit]

1407 – Ming Chinese forces captured Hồ Quý Ly and his sons, conquering Đại Ngu and ending the Vietnamese Hồ dynasty. At first I had difficulties understanding what this actually means. It didn't help that initially, I thought that "Hồ Quý Ly" was a city. But once identified as a person (i.e. the father of said sons), the next confusing thing is that the tense swaps at the comma. I'm not a native English speaker; maybe somebody with a stronger command of the language than me could take a look whether this should say "conquered" and "ended" instead. Schwede 66 03:58, 7 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- @Schwede66: I rewrote this to say "Ming Chinese forces conquered Đại Ngu, capturing Hồ Quý Ly and his sons in the process, and ending the Vietnamese Hồ dynasty", which I think should be clearer. The tense change in the second part of the sentence is pretty standard in English: it indicates that those things happened as a result of the first part. —howcheng {chat} 16:36, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  Awesome. Thanks. Schwede 66 17:18, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

2022 notes[edit]

Omitted: Ming conquest of Đại Ngu; Computing-Tabulating-Recording Company; Rudolf Nureyev; 2013 North India floods; James Bertie, 1st Earl of Abingdon; William Lawson (explorer); Tupac Shakur
Included: Yazdegerd III (4th appearance, last in 2020); 1819 Rann of Kutch earthquake (2nd appearance, last in 2019); James Joyce (8th appearance, last in 2020); The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars (first appearance; 50th anniversary); Liu Yang (taikonaut) (first appearance; 10th anniversary); Yang Jisheng (Ming dynasty) (2nd appearance, last in 2020); Mohammad Mosaddegh (4th appearance, last in 2006; previously appeared on August 19); Mel Allen (first appearance)