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Language templates[edit]

I've seen that you have been deleting language templates from some pages, and I wonder if you are aware of their purpose for words and expressions not in English. Please read Template:Lang#Rationale, which might change your opinion about those templates. Best regards, Jotamar (talk) 16:47, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Jotamar: could you give me an example of a mistake I made? JacktheBrown (talk) 21:19, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't say anything about mistakes, I'm just saying that language templates have a rationale behind them, and that deleting them should also have some sort of reason. For example in your edition of 20:02, 11 April 2024 in Embutido. --Jotamar (talk) 21:33, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Declined speedy deletion for Bomba calabrese[edit]

I have declined your speedy deletion request for Bomba calabrese because there is no valid speedy deletion criteria specified. Please read and understand the criteria for speedy deletion. -- Whpq (talk) 14:34, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you![edit]

	The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
	Thanks for the kind words on my Talk page! Cheers, Cl3phact0 (talk) 18:50, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Cl3phact0: you're welcome! And thank you for all your work, especially on the fettuccine Alfredo page. JacktheBrown (talk) 20:48, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Use British English[edit]

You have added the "use British English" tag to a number of articles for no obvious reason. Several of them in fact use American spellings and words. The "use British English" tag is supposed to be used to describe the usage in the article, not to prescribe it, and editing articles to change variety of English is not a good idea unless there is some compelling reason (e.g., that the subject of the article is closely linked to one country or the other). --Macrakis (talk) 16:30, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Macrakis: I will look carefully at the individual cases later (for more than six months I'm significantly improving the Italian foods (and drinks) pages). JacktheBrown (talk) 17:52, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it's great that you're working on the Italian foods articles. But that doesn't mean that you should change them from US spelling to UK spelling. The general rule is to leave that unchanged unless there is some good reason. In particular, the spelling "color" has been used in the Pizza Margherita article since at least 2007. --Macrakis (talk) 18:54, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Got here the same way. Jack, Macrakis is correct. Unless we believe a particular subject is closely linked to a particular English-speaking country, we use the variant of English used by the creator. Valereee (talk) 18:57, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Valereee: May I propose British English? It seems more suitable for this page. It seems very strange to me that a person can decide which English to use just because they created the page (I have nothing against American English). JacktheBrown (talk) 19:05, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why is British spelling more "suitable" for Pizza Margherita, or any of the other pages that you have tagged as British English: Neapolitan ragù, Bruschetta, Biscotti, Bisciola, etc., etc.? You seem to have added those tags because you think that future edits of the pages should conform to British English. But that is not the purpose of the tags. --Macrakis (talk) 19:18, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, Jack! I wonder if maybe you're more familiar with BrEng, so you think it sounds more appropriate? This is a long-established policy for any subject that isn't clearly associated with a particular country. For instance, Detroit-style pizza is obviously an American dish, so we'd switch to AmEng spelling. But as Macrakis says, Pizza Margherita is not British. Bangers and mash should be BrEng, but Jewellery is also in BrEng. To me, an American, that just looks all wrong. It's jewelry! :D

The point of allowing the creator to decide is to prevent edit warring over which variant is used. And also to prevent some sort of majority-rule thing, since obviously there are a ton of American editors who could potentially overrule any other country's editors. Valereee (talk) 20:23, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Valereee: "And also to prevent some sort of majority-rule thing, since obviously there are a ton of American editors who could potentially overrule any other country's editors". Almost all the pages on the topics concerning Italian cuisine, if example almost all Italian foods, are written in American English, so I have serious doubts about this sentence; however, I'm no longer interested in this topic, but I wanted to write this several days ago and was afraid that if I complained I would be blocked. JacktheBrown (talk) 07:58, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I get it. As I've said before somewhere, there are a lot of US editors, so there's a lot of AmEng here. But there are also a lot of non-US editors from countries, like your own, where BrEng is taught, and those editors likely write in BrEng. There's also Canadian, South African, Indian, Australian English.

There's also been huge immigration from Italy to the US, which means a lot of US editors have Italian ancestry and are familiar with Italian foods, which if you're correct about many articles being in AmEng might partially explain it. It's not that WP favors AmEng for Italian food articles. It's that there are a lot of US editors who notice an article about X dish which they grew up eating is missing and go write it.

You won't be blocked for simple disagreement. You might be if your disagreement becomes disruptive. You seem to be very focussed on this idea that too many articles about Italian food are written in American English. Wikipedia does not care which version of English is used. It just wants there to be no disruption over it. So on balance it's a good thing you are no longer interested in the topic. Valereee (talk) 20:44, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Continuing to do this is what's likely to get you blocked. Just stop. It doesn't matter that others are continuing the bickering you started. Take it off your watch. Valereee (talk) 22:28, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Valereee: I promised to close this topic, but how do I know what to do when both "biscuit" and "cookie" are used in an article? As in the case of cavallucci. JacktheBrown (talk) 10:18, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Valereee: yes, the only American English that Italians hear is that of American films and TV series in the original language.^{[citation needed]} JacktheBrown (talk) 20:33, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Totally understandable, it's quite likely the curriculum for teaching English in Italy is for British English. In Mexico it's quite likely American English. Valereee (talk) 20:35, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

yes, only British English in Italian schools, and if American English is used it's considered a mistake. JacktheBrown (talk) 20:37, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly. Same in India, although there's actually Indian English too, which for Indian subjects would be used instead of BrEng where they differ. Valereee (talk) 20:41, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You also shouldn't be moving articles, such as Pignolo (cookie) to the British-English version Pignolo (biscuit), without consensus for changing English variety. See WP:ENGVAR. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 20:43, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ahecht: I leave to you the management of British and American English for the future. JacktheBrown (talk) 20:45, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You said this nearly two weeks ago, and yet you're still bickering at various articles about your preferred version of English. Valereee (talk) 22:29, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have just unsubscribed from those conversations, so I will no longer receive new notifications. JacktheBrown (talk) 22:31, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Inappropriate PROD nomination[edit]

Hi! Your PROD nomination of this article with the rationale "This page should be removed, or improved; it is worse to keep a page with only one reference, considering that the it.wiki page has 140, than to have nothing; in this case the page should be deleted, the difference in references is too exaggerated" was mistaken, wholly inappropriate and arguably disruptive – the topic is very clearly notable by our standards, and deletion is not used as a method for improving articles on notable topics. If you want the page to have more sources, please add more sources; if you can't be bothered, that's OK too, but please don't make a fuss about it. And please don't SHOUT on the talk-page. Thanks, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 20:30, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

NB I added the Mereghetti source; I actually have three copies of that work, from three different years, and would be happy to look up other film titles if that would be helpful. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 20:30, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Justlettersandnumbers: I apologise. However, why can't we add some Italian sources? Some of these could be very useful (there are machine translators to translate them). JacktheBrown (talk) 20:35, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

JackkBrown, you speak both Italian and English very well. Why do you want to use notoriously inaccurate machine translators? Just translate the content yourself. Cullen328 (talk) 08:08, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]